Topic: [APPROVED] Nail color BUR

The bulk update request #4703 is active.

Reason: Colored fingernails are fingernails.

Other turquoise tags are aliased to blue.

EDIT: The bulk update request #4703 (forum #364308) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #4704 is active.

create implication black_toenails (611) -> toenails (6036)
create implication blue_toenails (263) -> toenails (6036)
create implication brown_toenails (20) -> toenails (6036)
create implication dark_toenails (0) -> toenails (6036)
create implication green_toenails (170) -> toenails (6036)
create implication grey_toenails (44) -> toenails (6036)
create implication light_toenails (3) -> toenails (6036)
create implication multitoenails (0) -> toenails (6036)
create implication orange_toenails (21) -> toenails (6036)
create implication pink_toenails (342) -> toenails (6036)
create implication purple_toenails (157) -> toenails (6036)
create implication red_toenails (276) -> toenails (6036)
create implication tan_toenails (16) -> toenails (6036)
create implication two_tone_toenails (3) -> toenails (6036)
create implication white_toenails (86) -> toenails (6036)
create implication yellow_toenails (51) -> toenails (6036)

Reason: Colored toenails are toenails.

EDIT: The bulk update request #4704 (forum #364309) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

On the one hand all the [color]_nails currently imply colored_nails which implies nails and colored_fingernails/colored_toenails already exist and imply fingernails/toenails
On the other hand iirc there was a conversation about how colored_nails is meant to be for like, nail polish, but in furry art often a character's nails or claws will just naturally be like that. I'm struggling to find the forum post though

Being able to tell if something is colored naturally or with nail polish is going to be near impossibly by TWYS standards, unless the actual act of painting_nails is present, which has its own tag anyway. I maybe wouldn't mind implying some of these to colored_fingernails/colored_toenails but then we'd have to decide which colors are natural and which ones are "colored"

I'm a little concerned how often [color]_toenails seems to be used for claws instead of nails too.

The bulk update request #5371 is active.

Reason: Colored fingernails are colored nails.

EDIT: The bulk update request #5371 (forum #373651) has been approved by @scaliespe.

The bulk update request #5372 is active.

create implication black_toenails (611) -> black_nails (11936)
create implication blue_toenails (263) -> blue_nails (3775)
create implication brown_toenails (20) -> brown_nails (676)
create implication dark_toenails (0) -> dark_nails (150)
create implication green_toenails (170) -> green_nails (2184)
create implication grey_toenails (44) -> grey_nails (557)
create implication light_toenails (3) -> light_nails (23)
create implication multicolored_toenails (6) -> multicolored_nails (141)
create implication orange_toenails (21) -> orange_nails (430)
create implication pink_toenails (342) -> pink_nails (4185)
create implication purple_toenails (157) -> purple_nails (2484)
create implication red_toenails (276) -> red_nails (4100)
create implication tan_toenails (16) -> tan_nails (205)
create implication two_tone_toenails (3) -> two_tone_nails (22)
create implication white_toenails (86) -> white_nails (1411)
create implication yellow_toenails (51) -> yellow_nails (922)

Reason: Colored toenails are colored nails.

EDIT: The bulk update request #5372 (forum #373652) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

waydence said:
Updated original BUR to go through colored_*nails instead of just *nails as it will be a catch-all term for nails with coloration that is distinct from the body (see topic #39630).

A character can have orange nails/claws and also an orange body, making their orange_nails not colored_nails. I think [color]_nails should directly imply nails (and *_claws implying claws) and then colored_nails is added in addition if the nail color is different from the body color

waydence said:
The bulk update request #4703 is active.

create implication black_fingernails (2038) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication blue_fingernails (746) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication brown_fingernails (178) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication dark_fingernails (81) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication gold_fingernails (34) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication green_fingernails (418) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication grey_fingernails (180) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication light_fingernails (18) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication multifingernails (0) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication orange_fingernails (64) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication pink_fingernails (759) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication purple_fingernails (521) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication red_fingernails (728) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication tan_fingernails (157) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication teal_fingernails (68) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication two_tone_fingernails (9) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication white_fingernails (310) -> fingernails (14411)
create implication yellow_fingernails (174) -> fingernails (14411)
create alias turquoise_fingernails (0) -> blue_fingernails (746)

Reason: Colored fingernails are fingernails.

Other turquoise tags are aliased to blue.

Those tags should probably not implicate colored_fingernails because the wiki explicitly states that the fingernails need to be painted and those other tags do not have that limitation. I think the colored_fingernails tag is kinda useless in that sense anyway because it is going to be hard to discern whether a fingernail has been painted or not and the tag seems even more pointless if it applied to all fingernails that can be tagged with a color. On top of that there also is no such implication on any of the [color]_fur tags implicating colored_fur as they only implicate fur and their respective [color]_body tag. So these tags should probably only implicate fingernails and their respective [color]_nails tag.

waydence said:
Updated original BUR to go through colored_*nails instead of just *nails as it will be a catch-all term for nails with coloration that is distinct from the body (see topic #39630).

That seems unintuitive. Typical white nails would then be classified as colored_nails when a character has a non-white body color, which would be almost all the time. Green nails would not be colored_nails if the character has green scales, but would if they have brown fur.

It also seems people are mixing up nails and claws.

cloudpie said:
A character can have orange nails/claws and also an orange body, making their orange_nails not colored_nails.~

watsit said:
That seems unintuitive. Typical white nails would then be classified as colored_nails when a character has a non-white body color, which would be almost all the time. Green nails would not be colored_nails if the character has green scales, but would if they have brown fur.~

My logic was that a character with orange body and also orange hands wouldn't be tagged with orange_hands, because they have the same color.
I applied this logic to nails, because naturally they are translucent and more or less body colored (picture of exposed nailbed ).

I was wondering if it's too convoluted for people who aren't into reading wiki pages, so if even you say it's unintuitive, then it probably is (original BUR reverted).

themasterpotato said:
~colored_fingernails ... seems even more pointless if it applied to all fingernails that can be tagged with a color.~

Well you could've easily searched for colored nails of all color at once, without having to list every color. I guess that could still be done, just have to tag colored_fingernails manually first.

waydence said:
Well you could've easily searched for colored nails of all color at once, without having to list every color. I guess that could still be done, just have to tag colored_fingernails manually first.

What i meant is that if all fingernails get tagged with their colour, colored_fingernails would essentially be the same as just fingernails and would return the exact same results. Also people will gladly add 20 different black_[bodypart] tags to a completely black character, so if all of those tags got their own colored_[bodypart] tags as well it would only bloat the amount of colour related tags on posts even more.

The bulk update request #4703 (forum #364308) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #4704 (forum #364309) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #5372 (forum #373652) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #5371 (forum #373651) has been approved by @scaliespe.