Topic: unalias twink -> girly

The bulk update request #5616 is pending approval.

remove alias twink (0) -> femboy (191024)

Reason: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang)

while yes a lot of twinks are girly, not all of them are

I’m giving this a +1. Here’s why:

Girly (at least on e621) refers to male characters who appear more feminine than masculine. Very similar, if not identical, to femboys.

Twinks, on the other hand, is a more generalized term that may include ‘girly’ characters, but don’t necessarily have to be such. Twinks can also describe skinny/athletic men who look like adolescent boys (though still within legal age of consent).

If you ask me. I’d say unalias the two tags and then have girly imply twink.

The problem is that with anthropomorphic characters, the line between twink and girly is much more blurry than it is with humans. Unless you pretty much require crossdressing before you label a post "girly", it's a very subjective judgment call.

I'm not sure twink should be a standalone tag (maybe aliasing to skinny or slim would work), but it's distinct enough from girly that I'd rather not have it be aliased to that.

zenith-pendragon said:
Twinks, on the other hand, is a more generalized term that may include ‘girly’ characters, but don’t necessarily have to be such. Twinks can also describe skinny/athletic men who look like adolescent boys (though still within legal age of consent).

I think that's starting to split hairs. There may be some edge cases, but I feel there would be too few to be concerned about next to people using girly and twink interchangeably, resulting in girly characters only being tagged twink and vice-versa, causing people to need to use both when they want either. Also since we TWYS, a character that looks adolescent would be treated as such regardless of their "actual" age.

Twink is a character archtype rather than an observable trait. I don't think it should be aliased to girly, but rather than becoming it's own tag, I think it should be invalidated like how bimbo is.

Whatever gets done with the tag afterwards, the fact that femboy and twink are currently aliased to the same tag implies they mean the same thing, which they objectively do not.

Previous thread creating this alias: topic #31345

It was not a popular decision at the time either.

the definitions that people are using for "twink" of that I'm seeing in this thread and the one linked by wat, it's effectively an amalgam of athletic (sometimes), girly (mostly), slim (usually), and teenager (maybe) male/maleherm/andromorph characters.

to me it seems like the closest analogue is girly, or maybe slim but that tag is applicable to all genders, where as girly is exclusively for the three man-genders.

I'd like to reiterate that while "twink" and "girly" might be distinct concepts in the real world, with anthropomorphic characters things become a lot muddier. Facial features become a lot less important to masculinity and femininity, so I'm not sure how how you'd consistently tell the difference without requiring girly to include crossdressing.

vulpes_artifex said:
I'd like to reiterate that while "twink" and "girly" might be distinct concepts in the real world, with anthropomorphic characters things become a lot muddier. Facial features become a lot less important to masculinity and femininity, so I'm not sure how how you'd consistently tell the difference without requiring girly to include crossdressing.

There's no way the boundaries are sufficiently unclear that either of the characters in this post should full into the "girly" side of the divide:

post #4321902

girly doesn't necessarily require crossdressing, but the overall impression should be of an exaggerated, drag queen-esque caricature of Western femininity to be eligible for the tag. Think long hair, pink accessories, lipstick, that kind of thing. You know how, in classic anthro cartoons, you can usually tell the one female character apart because she's the only one who has human hair? That's basically how the concept of "girly" applies to anthros. It's an inherently human-centric concept, so any character designs intended to be interpreted as "femboys" are not going to lean too heavily into biological realism. I think your concerns about hypothetical girly ferals are severely overblown.

wat8548 said:
There's no way the boundaries are sufficiently unclear that either of the characters in this post should full into the "girly" side of the divide:

post #4321902

I mean, I'm not sure if I'd consider either of them them "twinks" either, so...

sipothac said:
I mean, I'm not sure if I'd consider either of them them "twinks" either, so...

It was probably intended to refer to the bottom one, judging by the size of the butt (and etymology of the word "twink"). This is also a good example of why I don't think the twink tag is valid on its own, which makes the fact that it is heavily polluting a popular valid tag even worse.

wat8548 said:
girly doesn't necessarily require crossdressing, but the overall impression should be of an exaggerated, drag queen-esque caricature of Western femininity to be eligible for the tag.

Nah, just someone who comes across as feminine, were it not for a visible cock/bulge/balls. It needn't be an exaggerated caricature, a male with a perfectly natural feminine body or face works too. I can see that green one being tagged girly. A bit on the edge of applicability perhaps, but not one I'd call foul over.

wat8548 said:
There's no way the boundaries are sufficiently unclear that either of the characters in this post should full into the "girly" side of the divide:

post #4321902

I agree. neither character is twink, and definitely not girly.

what do you all think about an androgynous_male tag? the idea was brought up in topic #41299 and I thought it might be applicable to this situation. if I understand correctly, at least part the current problem is that we have no term for a male character whose build/body type fails to conform to any "masculine" standard but also dosn't swing far enough in the other direction to be considered girly. this tag would be kind of be that exact thing.

I think the term has more potential than twink since I still feel like "twink" has some terminological overlap with "girly" that "androgynous" wouldn't. I still have some potential misgivings that I voiced in the above linked thread, but it might be a decent tag.

sipothac said:
what do you all think about an androgynous_male tag? the idea was brought up in topic #41299 and I thought it might be applicable to this situation. if I understand correctly, at least part the current problem is that we have no term for a male character whose build/body type fails to conform to any "masculine" standard but also dosn't swing far enough in the other direction to be considered girly. this tag would be kind of be that exact thing.

No. I don't know what you mean by "masculine standard", but pretty much the only standard this site has is "no boobs". We have the manly tag for caricatures of masculinity, same as how girly is (supposed to be) for caricatures of femininity, but the scope of TWYS male body types is much wider than that.

Part of the problem with "twink" as a tag is that, if defined objectively, it could probably be applied to the majority of male posts on the site. A slimline build with neither a lot of fat nor muscle is an incredibly popular furry body shape, and not just because it's easy to draw. Even if an "androgynous_male" tag could be objectively defined, aliasing twink to it would cause just as many mistags as the current girly alias is doing.

Twinks aren’t always femboys I agree with this

keysmasher123 said:
The bulk update request #5616 is pending approval.

remove alias twink (0) -> femboy (191024)

Reason: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang)

while yes a lot of twinks are girly, not all of them are

Also E6 users have zero idea what a femboy is, the logic seems to be whatever isn’t a big muscly man is a femboy which is just not true

Surprised nobody's brought up yet that the most accurate place to point the twink alias would be slim_male.

Twink is used to describe an attractive boyish, homosexual man with little to no body hair. Twink doesn't imply dressing or acting feminine.

sadly the alias make it's difficult to search non girly twink

Twink is a body style, it's a thin hairless you gay man. Femboy is a man who has a feminine style. It is not a given that a femboy will be a twink.

They should be separated.

Thanks to the GreatWolfgang for pointing out this open request in topic 57711

Voting in favor of removing this alias and bumping the thread in the hopes this gets momentum. "Twink" is a body type - specifically a slim, young, adult male. It's clearly different from femboy and the other proposed alternatives.

user_1650047 said:
Surprised nobody's brought up yet that the most accurate place to point the twink alias would be slim_male.

This really does feel like the best option. The original alias was done so that the twink tag would give relevant results instead of things that weren't remotely twinks - this would give even more relevant results than the current alias to "girly."

marnix said:
This really does feel like the best option. The original alias was done so that the twink tag would give relevant results instead of things that weren't remotely twinks - this would give even more relevant results than the current alias to "girly."

if anyone tries to apply twink to andromorph or maleherm characters this alias would cause mistags.

Would it be better to alias it to slim instead? It's common ground and still accurate so it won't cause mistags, and people would already be required to tag male anyways with the gender buttons so it's effectively the same thing

nin10dope said:
Would it be better to alias it to slim instead? It's common ground and still accurate so it won't cause mistags, and people would already be required to tag male anyways with the gender buttons so it's effectively the same thing

Yeah, slim is the best alias target.

On that condition, I give this a +1 in favor
To be honest I'd probably still upvote this just because a lot of people have periodically shown their displeasure with the current alias.

nin10dope said:
Would it be better to alias it to slim instead? It's common ground and still accurate so it won't cause mistags, and people would already be required to tag male anyways with the gender buttons so it's effectively the same thing

Twink is basically slim_male + young_adult, and the "young adult" tag hasn't really taken off (although I try to use it). I think it's best to let "twink" stand alone as a valid tag, and maybe imply young_adult and slim_male. Simply removing the femboy alias seems to be what people voting for, and that looks like a lot of green in the top post, so why not just do that? That said, aliasing twink to "slim" is closer to the mark than aliasing it to "femboy", so it would be an improvement over the current system.

donkdewd said:
That said, aliasing twink to "slim" is closer to the mark than aliasing it to "femboy", so it would be an improvement over the current system.

That is indeed why I said that.
Young_adult sounds overly ambiguous in appearance, so I wouldn't recommend that.

nin10dope said:
That is indeed why I said that.
Young_adult sounds overly ambiguous in appearance, so I wouldn't recommend that.

I agree you probably need to read the e621 wiki to understand what "young_adult" signifies - that's probably why few people use that tag. I'm ok with not aliasing twink to it. So my vote is "yay" on removing the alias to femboy and "nay" on aliasing to "slim", which is overly broad, although that's better than the status quo.

donkdewd said:
I agree you probably need to read the e621 wiki to understand what "young_adult" signifies - that's probably why few people use that tag. I'm ok with not aliasing twink to it. So my vote is "yay" on removing the alias to femboy and "nay" on aliasing to "slim", which is overly broad, although that's better than the status quo.

young_adult should be invalidated. In practice, young_adult is the standard for characters, which is why other age tags exist i.e. young (and its subtags) and elderly to differentiate from the norm. This is after I did read the wiki from your suggestion and then looked at the posts with it. It's extremely unspecific and almost never touched for an age tag.

Twink should not be aliased to a gender tag (slim_male) for the same reason that other nongender tags are not allowed to do it, art is a vacuum of logic defying possibilities. It could be deemed as trans exclusionist, just like what I was told and then learned about for when I tried to have barazoku imply male despite being a male specific homosexual genre. I don't say that with disdain nor with any malice, that was just a learning experience. But I think the logic translates pretty much 1:1 to twink be aliased to slim_male (effectively saying that only males can use the tag)

nin10dope said:
young_adult should be invalidated. In practice, young_adult is the standard for characters...

It looked like someone put a lot of thought into the e621 wiki for "young_adult", which is why I've tried to use that tag when it seems to apply. I don't agree with the statement "In practice, young_adult is the standard..." but if the "young_adult" tag was invalidated, I wouldn't care, and I do take your point.

Twink should not be aliased to a gender tag (slim_male) for the same reason that other nongender tags are not allowed to do it, art is a vacuum of logic defying possibilities. It could be deemed as trans exclusionist, just like what I was told and then learned about for when I tried to have barazoku imply male despite being a male specific homosexual genre. I don't say that with disdain nor with any malice, that was just a learning experience. But I think the logic translates pretty much 1:1 to twink be aliased to slim_male (effectively saying that only males can use the tag)

That makes sense to me! In that case, I think an implication of "twink" to just "slim" is best.

donkdewd said:
It looked like someone put a lot of thought into the e621 wiki for "young_adult", which is why I've tried to use that tag when it seems to apply. I don't agree with the statement "In practice, young_adult is the standard..." but if the "young_adult" tag was invalidated, I wouldn't care, and I do take your point.

That makes sense to me! In that case, I think an implication of "twink" to just "slim" is best.

Thank you :P
Anyone and everyone can write a wiki for a tag (unless it's locked)
I just checked that one's wiki's history and the editor just plainly said that the "Important Notes" was just copy-pasted from other age wikis lol

IMO female characters can be girly too.

czyszy said:
IMO female characters can be girly too.

Yeah, that's why the tag was aliased away.

czyszy said:
IMO female characters can be girly too.

and that's part of the reason as to why we don't call the tag girly anymore.

defining "girly" girl characters would be kinda hard to quantify since it's much more, like, default. and also, including them in a tag femboy characters definitely would not make much sense.

E6 definition of Femboy: "A male-bodied character with a feminine presentation in regard to personality, clothing, and/or body type"
There is nothing feminine presenting about any of these images and all of them are tagged as Femboy.
post #3531244
post #3464072
post #789674
post #1284933
post #2174894
post #435817
post #929199

This Ratchet one I think is the best example of what a twink is and I would love to remove the femboy tag and replace it with twink because that's what he is. I would like to find more like this since I personally am not a fan of femboy because I want my males to look like males. If we just remove the tag from these images without returning twink then people who are into this body type wouldn't have an easy way of searching these images
post #89246

milochu94 said:
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Bringing the same argument over here when you've already been told most of those posts are mistagged really doesn't help anyone
Add them to a set if you want to keep track of them, but remove the tag from posts where it is not valid and move on

By the way, these two:
post #789674
post #2174894

The tag is absolutely valid on these posts

milochu94 said:
This Ratchet one I think is the best example of what a twink is and I would love to remove the femboy tag and replace it with twink because that's what he is. I would like to find more like this since I personally am not a fan of femboy because I want my males to look like males. If we just remove the tag from these images without returning twink then people who are into this body type wouldn't have an easy way of searching these images
post #89246

are either of these dudes even twink, though?

donovan_dmc said:
Bringing the same argument over here when you've already been told most of those posts are mistagged really doesn't help anyone
Add them to a set if you want to keep track of them, but remove the tag from posts where it is not valid and move on

By the way, these two:
post #789674
post #2174894

The tag is absolutely valid on these posts

how? Bambi is a twink, he had the twink tag before it got removed. He's not feminine presenting, neither of those images should have femboy. It just furthers my point that femboy = non bara gay bottom. I want to blacklist femboy because I like my gay males to be males but too many images I like have it and removing the tag from every image it doesn't belong is crazy to ask since the tag shouldn't be there in the first place. It's only there because some people decided to convert twink to femboy

dba_afish said:
are either of these dudes even twink, though?

Ratchet is, the other isn't. One thing is for sure tho, neither are femboy

milochu94 said:
how? (...) He's not feminine presenting

SigmaX's Bambi definitely has feminine proportions around the waist

milochu94 said:
he had the twink tag before it got removed.

This is just false, if you would look at the tag history, you would see that twink was never present on this post (note that this post IS older than the alias), girly (what femboy used to be) was added in the second edit

milochu94 said:
neither of those images should have femboy. It just furthers my point that femboy = non bara gay bottom

My guy, how many times do we have to quote the wiki at you for you to get that it includes clothing

femboy:
feminine presentation in regard to personality, clothing, and/or body type (sans breasts).

post #2174894

I dont know about you, but panties seem like feminine clothing to me

milochu94 said:
and removing the tag from every image it doesn't belong is crazy to ask since the tag shouldn't be there in the first place. It's only there because some people decided to convert twink to femboy

That's how boorus work? Boorus rely on community tagging, whether that be for good or for bad. If you see a tag that's incorrect, fix it. Simple as that

Again, create a set if you want to keep track of the posts, but continuing to complain about the tag being on posts it shouldn't be on regardless is like a dog chasing its own tail, it might be fun but it helps no one

donovan_dmc said:
SigmaX's Bambi definitely has feminine proportions around the waist

This is just false, if you would look at the tag history, you would see that twink was never present on this post (note that this post IS older than the alias), girly (what femboy used to be) was added in the second edit

My guy, how many times do we have to quote the wiki at you for you to get that it includes clothing

post #2174894

I dont know about you, but panties seem like feminine clothing to me

That's how boorus work? Boorus rely on community tagging, whether that be for good or for bad. If you see a tag that's incorrect, fix it. Simple as that

Again, create a set if you want to keep track of the posts, but continuing to complain about the tag being on posts it shouldn't be on regardless is like a dog chasing its own tail, it might be fun but it helps no one

I'll be more than happy to fix the tags once twink is done being held hostage. And back to what I said in my other thread, so crossdressing + male = femboy 100% of the time? That doesn't seem right. I crossdress irl but I ain't no femboy. A twink works out to get a desirable sub male body, femboys are more the hrt taking type. Bambi in the old sigmax drawings had twink, I'm talking really old like the first pool of bambi and ronno

milochu94 said:
I'll be more than happy to fix the tags once twink is done being held hostage.

Then stop complaining about invalid tags being on posts if you refuse to fix them until some arbitrary time in the future

milochu94 said:
And back to what I said in my other thread, so crossdressing + male = femboy 100% of the time? That doesn't seem right.

That has been in the wiki definition for 16 years, if you want to argue it should be changed, again start a topic about that or find an existing topic to add on to

If you were to ask me I'd explicly label femboy as clothing and feminine as a body type, while one may include the other neither are required for the other, but that's neither here nor there

milochu94 said:
femboys are more the hrt taking type.

What? If someone is taking hrt they are more than likely trans, and while they can choose to categorize themselves a femboy, that is in no way related to femboy itself

milochu94 said:
Bambi in the old sigmax drawings had twink, I'm talking really old like the first pool of bambi and ronno

If that's what you mean then why are you linking posts that don't support that?

most of the examples for this I've seen around the forums and looking through the remains of the tag when it used to exist, twink kinda just means "conventionally attractive dude, sometimes he's doing a gay".

in all honesty, defining "twink" on its own is to me kinda seems like trying to define "femme" on its own. it's hard to quantify each of them because, without something to contrast, it's pretty nebulous.

milochu94 said:
femboys are more the hrt taking type.

Man, I was just about to throw you a bone by saying that perhaps e6's femboy alias and common-use has potentially, subtly, perverted our definition of a twink. But then you had to go and say that ignorant shit. I won't go further on that because I have a bad habit of being unclear on how I make sense of stuff, but what you said is just untrue and maybe a little biased.

dba_afish said:
most of the examples for this I've seen around the forums and looking through the remains of the tag when it used to exist, twink kinda just means "conventionally attractive dude, sometimes he's doing a gay".

in all honesty, defining "twink" on its own is to me kinda seems like trying to define "femme" on its own. it's hard to quantify each of them because, without something to contrast, it's pretty nebulous.

You're not too far off lmao
A twink is literally just a smaller, slimmer dude. Which can often just be given to some people with genetics, myself included. Behaving in a slight femme or flamboyant manner is just the icing on the cake that is that final step before you cross into the world of femboy

I will also say that it's pretty interesting that the longer this topic stays at the top of the most recent topics, the longer the streak of Thumbs Up I'm seeing

i'm gonna weigh in on this rq
femboy only indicates a feminine body type and personality on a male.
twink only indicates a particularly thin body type in general.

chubby femboys, while cute in their own way, aren't quite the same as twinks, and so the current alias breaks the "tag what you see" rule.

fleskywood said:
i'm gonna weigh in on this rq
femboy only indicates a feminine body type and personality on a male.
twink only indicates a particularly thin body type in general.

chubby femboys, while cute in their own way, aren't quite the same as twinks, and so the current alias breaks the "tag what you see" rule.

Not exactly breaks the TWYS but pigeon-holes the tag

I'm definitely bumping this. A twink is not inherently a femboy; I certainly am not. I'll occasionally get someone on a chat app asking me if I would be willing to dress like a femboy would because they notice I'm a twink, but it's never been presumed of me because I present as masculine in every way and they only ask in the first place because my body fits their ideal of what a femboy should look like. I'm also willing to take it to the direction that you don't have to be a twink to be a femboy, you just have to present as feminine; not all femboys are twinks and not all twinks are femboys, therefore I don't think they should be aliased.

Also, to those making a body type argument, if you stripped a femboy twink and a masculine twink of all their clothes, accessories, makeup, mannerisms and so on, you would not be able to tell which was the femboy and which was not, so I can't even really follow an argument where we do presume that the femboy label is influenced by the body type.

I can't help but notice that besides "twink", the entire list of aliases to femboy leans into femininity - many of them include the prefix "fem" or use the word "girl" in them, and then the 4 that don't are "otoko no ko", which usually translates to "male girl" or "male daughter" anyway, and the tags that use the word "sissy", which is historically derogatory language for men who displayed a lack of masculinity. I think all of those tags being aliased here are fair, clear and demonstrate that being a femboy is largely about gender expression, while I think twink is an outlier that muddies the waters for slim male characters.

nin10dope said:
You're not too far off lmao
A twink is literally just a smaller, slimmer dude. Which can often just be given to some people with genetics, myself included. Behaving in a slight femme or flamboyant manner is just the icing on the cake that is that final step before you cross into the world of femboy

by the way, if it wasn't clear I meant "femme" in terms of, like, butch/femme, women.

dba_afish said:
by the way, if it wasn't clear I meant "femme" in terms of, like, butch/femme, women.

I think I understood that, I have horrible memory on what my brain was thinking days ago

I've wanted this change for years but I'm commenting here to hopefully at least tip the scales a little bit, twink and femboy are absolutely two distinct things and one should not be aliased to the other.
I think the example of a chubby femboy clearly not being a twink given above is a good demonstration of the distinction
I also think making the tags distinct would help with the rampant mis-tagging of femboy

Not all femboys are twinks and not all twinks are femboys. It's kinda like how not all fat men are bears, so it wouldn't make sense to alias it.

why is this even aliased? Twink is a description of a body type. Femboy is a presentation. They're not even close to being the same thing.

nommsalotl said:
why is this even aliased? Twink is a description of a body type. Femboy is a presentation. They're not even close to being the same thing.

it was considered the closest adjacent since no one can really agree on what exactly constitutes a "twink".

Happy second birthday to this bulk update request! 🥳🎉🎂

This is literally so easy to understand.

Some twinks are feminine
Some are not.
Those who don't like feminine men should not have to sift through THOUSANDS of them to find stuff they are attracted to.
Those who do like femboys, should also not have to do the same.
This literally helps nobody, it clogs things, and people who are exclusively into one, and not the other, get turned off and have a harder time.
This is just a bad, stupid change for all parties involved and this SHOULD NOT be that hard ofna concept to comprehend.

napuppyeonbonaparte said:
This is literally so easy to understand... [Snip]

Just an FYI - you can vote in favor of fixing this by clicking the yellow "thumbs up" icon in the first post of the thread.

so, how long until this takes effect?

milochu94 said:
so, how long until this takes effect?

probably never given how divided the whole thing is

whatismyname1234 said:
probably never given how divided the whole thing is

the tag autism of this site is one of its greatest strengths, but also weaknesses. Just unalias the tag and those who still like femboys won't even notice it being changed. The unalias is for those of us who don't think every non-bara sub male bottom should be given the femboy tag

whatismyname1234 said:
probably never given how divided the whole thing is

it's 74 up, 13 down, 8 meh
The up more than triple outweigh all other votes, it isn't very divided
Despite that a change like this is still a massive undertaking that needs a lot more effort than just unaliasing and throwing it to the wolves

milochu94 said:
The unalias is for those of us who don't think every non-bara sub male bottom should be given the femboy tag

Still throwing that around, are we? It has been 8 months, come on now
Do I need to go on again about how it includes clothing regardless of body type?

donovan_dmc said:
Despite that a change like this is still a massive undertaking that needs a lot more effort than just unaliasing and throwing it to the wolves

I'd do my part applying the twink tag properly if this finally goes through. I can't commit to updating 100,000+ posts, but I think others would help. There is a lot of support for changing this, as you point out.

donkdewd said:
I'd do my part applying the twink tag properly if this finally goes through. I can't commit to updating 100,000+ posts, but I think others would help. There is a lot of support for changing this, as you point out.

I'll help out at the very least for every image I personally know of that should have the twink tag and not the femboy tag like the examples I posted earlier in the thread. Any new ones I run into that should have twink but don't I will be more than happy to change

donovan_dmc said:
it's 74 up, 13 down, 8 meh
The up more than triple outweigh all other votes, it isn't very divided

which is why I'm like how has this not taken effect yet? What more is needed, we clearly have the votes and support.

milochu94 said:
which is why I'm like how has this not taken effect yet? What more is needed, we clearly have the votes and support.

Because what we're actually doing with it afterwards is still largely up in the air, though many of the replies above agree with just changing the alias target (slim seems like leading target) rather than letting it exist as a standalone tag

I'd agree with changing the target but I do not agree with having it as a standalone tag, I think the definitions people are coming up with are far too broad to actually be useful (and likely overlap significantly with femboy), and aliasing it to the closest reliable definition would be for the best

donovan_dmc said:
Because what we're actually doing with it afterwards is still largely up in the air, though many of the replies above agree with just changing the alias target (slim seems like leading target) rather than letting it exist as a standalone tag

I'd agree with changing the target but I do not agree with having it as a standalone tag, I think the definitions people are coming up with are far too broad to actually be useful (and likely overlap significantly with femboy), and aliasing it to the closest reliable definition would be for the best

twink has existed for far longer than femboy has. According to google trends, femboy got popular in 2020 and surpassed twink in 2023. Why is the new thing have it's own tag but not the thing that was here far longer than it? That's another one of my gripes is that twink is basically being tossed away in favor of femboy but the two are not the same. Slim while better than femboy is still wrong. Just come up with a good definition we can all agree on what twink is, or since the term twink existed for far longer I'm sure there's plenty out there to use

milochu94 said:
twink has existed for far longer than femboy has. According to google trends, femboy got popular in 2020 and surpassed twink in 2023. Why is the new thing have it's own tag but not the thing that was here far longer than it? That's another one of my gripes is that twink is basically being tossed away in favor of femboy but the two are not the same. Slim while better than femboy is still wrong. Just come up with a good definition we can all agree on what twink is, or since the term twink existed for far longer I'm sure there's plenty out there to use

The age and popularity of either term is irrelevant, having a concrete definition that isn't entirely subject or already covered by existing tags is more important

Wikipedia
Twink is gay slang for a male who is usually in his late teens to twenties whose other traits may include a slim physique, a youthful appearance, and little or no body hair.

"youthful appearance" is entirely subjective, and body hair should be covered by other tags
That leaves slim as a concrete trait, which is the target of choice for a realias

Considering with how femboy is used on this site, there is an objective overlap and I don't see twink ever surviving as a standalone tag

donovan_dmc said:
The age and popularity of either term is irrelevant, having a concrete definition that isn't entirely subject or already covered by existing tags is more important

"youthful appearance" is entirely subjective, and body hair should be covered by other tags
That leaves slim as a concrete trait, which is the target of choice for a realias

Considering with how femboy is used on this site, there is an objective overlap and I don't see twink ever surviving as a standalone tag

yeah considering how terrified staff is of the young tag I can also see twink not being kosher. Alright I give in, I'm fine with slim.

edit: wait, what about slim femboys? I take it slim isnt gonna be removed from femboy pics is it. Because if I search slim I'm still gonna get a lot of femboys so that doesn't exactly fix the original point of this thread. The pic that's my current pfp is a perfect twink. Young looking without the young tag and no femboy tag. Also slim. Perfect definition twink, I want to find more like him

milochu94 said:
yeah considering how terrified staff is of the young tag I can also see twink not being kosher. Alright I give in, I'm fine with slim.

edit: wait, what about slim femboys? I take it slim isnt gonna be removed from femboy pics is it. Because if I search slim I'm still gonna get a lot of femboys so that doesn't exactly fix the original point of this thread. The pic that's my current pfp is a perfect twink. Young looking without the young tag and no femboy tag. Also slim. Perfect definition twink, I want to find more like him

Slim would have no reason to be removed from femboy-tagged images because femboy isn't a body type. The point of the thread isn't to make a tag that is mutually exclusive from femboy, it's to stop having stuff like this automatically tagged 'femboy':
post #6171476
...while also making sure that when people search 'twink' it doesn't direct them to a tag with this in it:
post #6176289

If you want slim males without femboys you should search something like slim male -femboy.

tag usefulness > tag accuracy

like seriously who are we trying to impress here? Tags are for helping us find what we want and filter out what we don't. By caring more about how accurate a tag is you're just wasting time we could be using to undo the damage this alias caused in the first place. We won, we have the votes, unalias the tag already. It serves a purpose that clearly a lot of people want and need. Who are you trying to impress by having the most accurate tag descriptions and use? There's a demand here that isn't being met because we need to go into a philosophical debate on why the twink tag shouldn't exist. Yes it should, we have the votes, bring back the tag that was already here and useful to us. We will use it, we will define it by tagging what should have it but doesn't. It's a useful tag, stop fussing over what it means. We who use it and tag pics with it knows what it means and that's what matters. Enough with the tag autism

Back at the top of the front page again.

At this point, I would discourage people from getting into arguments on this two year old thread. The votes speak for themselves. A twink is absolutetly not a femboy - the alias should be removed. Those who want to alias the liberated "twink" tag to something else can create a separate thread after the alias is removed, and people can have a clean vote on those suggestions. My point of view is that the twink tag will be able to stand on it's own, because it has lexical meaning that is distinct from "femboy" or "slim_male" - neither of which = "twink", as any gay will tell you.

milochu94 said:
Enough with the tag autism

Hey. Be nice.

donkdewd said:
Back at the top of the front page again.

At this point, I would discourage people from getting into arguments on this two year old thread. The votes speak for themselves. A twink is absolutetly not a femboy - the alias should be removed. Those who want to alias the liberated "twink" tag to something else can create a separate thread after the alias is removed, and people can have a clean vote on those suggestions. My point of view is that the twink tag will be able to stand on it's own, because it has lexical meaning that is distinct from "femboy" or "slim_male" - neither of which = "twink", as any gay will tell you.

Hey. Be nice.

yeah if the mods wanna have a philosophical debate about the twink tag and what it means they can do that after it's been freed from the prison for a crime it didn't commit.

Or ideally, don't have a debate about it. Don't look for a solution without a problem, nobody who actually used the twink tag for the again much longer time it was here before femboy had any problem with it. The only people who are hating on the tag likely didn't use it before and won't use it once it's free. This thread isn't about what twink is it's about what it isn't and it ain't girly