Topic: What character personality archetypes are you tired of seeing in porn? What are underrated?

Not sure if this belongs in art talk or off topic or somewhere else, but... What character personality archetypes are you tired of seeing in porn?

Personally, I’m tired of egomaniac characters whose confidence is based solely on sexual attention, but they never change or get tested or challenged by anything. Intimacy doesn’t involve connection or growth or vulnerability, it’s just one more set of sensations before moving on.

These characters are always framed as untouchable, endlessly desired, endlessly validated, never meaningfully affected by age, rejection, competition, or emotional consequences. Sex is treated as their entire identity and a source of superiority, without ever asking what that costs a person or what happens when it's not enough any more. One night with a good man doesn't shake her belief that there are no good men and start a new chapter in her life, because she already has everything she ever wanted.

Pleasure without stakes, sex without romance or intimacy or meaning, ego without substance, she thinks being the best at sexual performance in her small pond is an identity worth being proud of. She's the best at sexual performance, and she'll tell you that even when she's insulting or rejecting you, because how else will you know how fucking cool sex makes her in her world? It's such juvenile writing. She'll never overhear a past lover laughing at her behind her back, laughing at all the stupid shit he said to validate her solely to get with her and move on, and start to question her choices and everything she was ever told by people who only ever wanted her for her body.

If anyone her ever tries to take her by force, she's an invincible girlboss who effortlessly destroys them while letting out quippy one-liners. A rape attempt isn't treated as a traumatic event that changes someone in any way, it's just another part of her power fantasy, more proof sex is hers and hers alone and nobody can challenge her dominance of sex.

And this identity, the delusion that nothing matters more than sex and it has no downsides whatsoever, will never be threatened by age, a more desirable rival stealing her clients, STDs/STIs, pregnancy, or a relative contacting her for the first time in years to invite her to a wedding full of meaningfully fulfilled people happier than her with jobs they don't have to lie about.

She's selling herself for money, or just attention, but instead of asking what tragic desperate circumstances drive someone to sell their body to a stranger, and how it hurts to put on a mask and play the role forced upon you, even if that role seems to have power attached to it like "violent cruel BDSM dominatrix", the fantasy is just that the whole world is your sexual playground and nothing more, or that someone who treats the world like a sexual playground decides it's your turn in her motel bed tonight.

Not to kinkshame, it all just gets boring after a while. And grating. At least sexually predatory bosses and teachers who exploit and abuse the helpless are usually presented as villains, not aspirational figures who always get what they want. Usually. That "Invincible validated sex goddess" archetype lacks that self-awareness, that understanding that there's more to life than genitals.

I don’t mind toxic characters. I'm just tired of stories that don’t realize they’re about one.

I'm sick of some non-human creature going 'Oh you're really gonna fuck [insert their species]. That's pathetic' and any sort of other humiliation which requires the one doing it to degrade their own kind. I can only assume it's popular given how much I've seen it in pokemon content, but my gut reaction to the character saying that is just 'are you dumb?'. Maybe that tension is part of the appeal, but it just doesn't do it for me.

redphoenix42 said:
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I think you're just describing the "Mary Sue" archetype.

but yeah, pretty much any instances of an obvious generic power fantasy/wish fulfillment character I tend to tune out, it's just so profoundly boring, you also see this kinda stuff extremely often with hypnosis and timestop stuff when the "protagonist"/perspective character is the one doing the hypnosis or timestopping. just: "Look at my awsome self-insert fuck a bunch of people. aren't they so cool?", it really does not feel like it was designed to be enjoyed by another person, and at that point, why even share it... as an extension, feels kinda embarrassing to read as well.

The usually male character who's a bully and just all around jerk, and who has everyone throwing themselves at him because something something alpha male something something big dick. Possibly with some initial resistance, but soon they are just spreading their legs like the story was trying to teach that assholeness is the true way to be a man.

Being mean is not sexy, it's just mean.

el_padrillo said:
I'm sick of some non-human creature going 'Oh you're really gonna fuck [insert their species]. That's pathetic' and any sort of other humiliation which requires the one doing it to degrade their own kind. I can only assume it's popular given how much I've seen it in pokemon content, but my gut reaction to the character saying that is just 'are you dumb?'. Maybe that tension is part of the appeal, but it just doesn't do it for me.

I like it, but yeah, it's probably absurd. It's bestiality+humilliation. I guess the appeal is feeling like a degenerate gooner that's into taboo stuff? I dunno, maybe I'm not making sense. The message is supposed to be the character calling the viewer a pervert (insulting_viewer) for being interested in a different species, but usually that character is also expressing interest in you, so it is kinda self-contradictory. Most people don't think too logically about dialogue while gooning.

It's more context dependent than anything. I don't have a big problem with power fantasy or wish fulfillment types in theory. But I don't like it when they feel like some sort of "gigachad" type character or are otherwise better than anyone else. Especially if it's at the expense of others.

Honestly I'd just like to see some more characters that are just guys in porn. The porn archetypes in general are hard to connect to, I like the ones that feel more like people. Ones that laugh, make mistakes, just have regular conversations with people and are super casual about it. braeburned in particular makes excellent art of this caliber

All the "Master, master~" shit in Poképorn is really grating and boring.

You see that girl? That shy, quiet, maybe nerdy, and all-around submissive girl? Heh, well, she's actually a total S L U T! An absolute F R E A K!

And other various "subversions", or just lazy character writing.

I think I'm mainly just tired of commonly used dialogue used in a way that just feels "robotic", I guess. I'm not sure how to explain more.

(bonus points if it's different ones in a combo together as if it was a checklist, those especially come off as a textbook)

sirbrownbear said:
You see that girl? That shy, quiet, maybe nerdy, and all-around submissive girl? Heh, well, she's actually a total S L U T! An absolute F R E A K!

And other various "subversions", or just lazy character writing.

The extreme irony there? Most of these "subversions" are just pivoting away from uniqueness and vulnerability and interesting personality clashes and comfort levels that have to be negotiated and understood to more common shallow simple cliche things. If how this shy, quiet, submissive woman acts in bed and navigates her personal boundaries and his is foreign to them and they don't want to do research, they just write her spontaneously turning into the cliche sex-crazed horndog with "bizarre" (statistically common for maximum audience appeal) fetishes and call it a day. Sex happens, violent bed-breaking sex exclusively on her terms, so he doesn't have to feel guilty or responsible over any of it.

redphoenix42 said:
The extreme irony there? Most of these "subversions" are just pivoting away from uniqueness and vulnerability and interesting personality clashes and comfort levels that have to be negotiated and understood to more common shallow simple cliche things. If how this shy, quiet, submissive woman acts in bed and navigates her personal boundaries and his is foreign to them and they don't want to do research, they just write her spontaneously turning into the cliche sex-crazed horndog with "bizarre" (statistically common for maximum audience appeal) fetishes and call it a day. Sex happens, violent bed-breaking sex exclusively on her terms, so he doesn't have to feel guilty or responsible over any of it.

The more I read this fantastically interesting thread
the more I'm dying to get your thoughts on something I made, Dood!
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Never knew how much I was pivoting away from the trope till I heard your grievances with
power hungry, ironically Molded "Mold breaking" characters till now. While going purely
realistic, expanding on the physical and emotional ramifications of sleeping around
other than it feels good right now isn't in my skill set, how do you feel about sex
in a more unrealistic setting or in a more safe setting that let's characters be more
open to the idea without having to worry about the types of ramifications. And
a similar note, Is it just if it's done by one character that bugs you or would the
idea spread out be more palatable, Dood?
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Or would that be like T‿T)
one bee is bad, More is worse, Dood?

As for myself in terms of tropes I don't like seeing,
I'm with Supina, Dood.

supina said:
The usually male character who's a bully and just all around jerk, and who has everyone throwing themselves at him because something something alpha male something something big dick. Possibly with some initial resistance, but soon they are just spreading their legs like the story was trying to teach that assholeness is the true way to be a man.

Being mean is not sexy, it's just mean.

Seeing someone who is an absolute butthole to people, Not only rewarded but framed as
aspirational figures erks the heck out of me. Not saying the interest of being insulted
is bad, Just that I see it as a childish view on what being an adult, Dominate or mature
is. You can be all of those things and still be a nice person. And conversely, You can be
childish, Submissive and immature 'And' mean. An attitude doesn't make you strong, It just
makes me feel bad for your partner, Dood =‿=;)

Maybe it's because I dont know anyones lore, but personality is hard to judge through one image. I will say that I'm tired of characters just being up for fucking anyone and anything. Yes I want to see it but it'd be better after some build up?

notkastar said:
The more I read this fantastically interesting thread
the more I'm dying to get your thoughts on something I made, Dood!
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Excellent character work! I can't wait to see where these characters go from here.

Also...

I really dislike when sex, sexuality, genitalia, it's all depicted exclusively as something dirty and demeaning and dehumanises and legitimises you. It's not contrasted with good clean loving sex and healthy ways of engaging with kinks, it's painted as all there is to sexuality. Sex becomes something evil and gross done by evil and gross people to others. Not a form of mutual communication, not as a celebration of life and love, not as an exploration of sensation and pleasure, not as a reward, just a form of torture some like more than others. Penises become twisted abominations halfway between gnarled tree bark and horrifically mutilated weapons. Breasts and wombs and vaginas and cocks and testicles are injured, not pleasured, and her ability to enjoy it is masochism that lessens her. Faces are twisted by exaggerated emotions into viscerally ugly repulsive things. Nobody enjoys sex, they enjoy what it does to its victims.

Men aren't just depicted as faceless sex objects or even floating dicks, they're obese repulsive grunting beasts with less dignity than a farmer's pigs. Replacing them with photographed jpegs of actual horses would be an improvement over the fetishized ugliness that even turns drawings of animals twisted and ugly. Nose rings are pulled on with ropes to make her uglier as if having a nose ring didn't make her ugly enough already.

She's reduced to a hideous mess of snot and cum and tears and blood and suffering. A thing with less dignity than the slug from I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream. The star of the new porn parody, I Have No Pleasure And I Must Goon.

A breeding mount or soulless mindless plush doll with a hole overflowing with semen would have more dignity than this sickening thing a victim of sex was reduced to. Even if the story tried to make you hate her first, getting any satisfaction from feels seems impossible. Sex becomes something ugly and evil done to victims, a punishment that destroys the dignity of everyone involved. Nobody is having any fun but it happens anyway. It's like a trauma response from someone who hates sex and hates liking and wanting it almost as much as they hate drawing it.

I know these artists are probably healthier in reality than they seem online and trying to hook certain Whales doesn't mean you agree with them or want to financially rely on pleasing them as they get number from porn addiction and crave sicker thrills to make their decaying neurons drowning in calcified cum flicker with dying light. The most asexual traumatized sex-repulsed conservative strawman imaginable couldn't draw sex as something this deeply sickening and viscerally ugly and Godlessly unholy and fundamentally wrong even if you put a gun to his head and did the same to his entire family.

But it's made by people who supposedly like sex? Who somehow find pleasure in everything being exaggerated and abstracted until nothing looks remotely appealing any more? Who supposedly enjoy making all sex look so tainted by Slaanesh it could make a sex addict go cold turkey?

Even though I don't like vore, at least they don't go out of their way to make the characters about to be eaten look so sickeningly ugly and unappetising the sight of them would make starving sewer rats puke.

Those people can enjoy whatever they want, but I don't get them and I hope I never do.

wait, you guys are watching porn intros/reading the rating:s pages on comics? unreal

tbh i don't really have any character types i dislike. i guess the thing were some shy, awkward, physically-unappealing dude is suddenly worshipped by some baddie he runs into who "understands his hidden appeal" is pretty hilarious, and you see it a lot. it's not upsetting but it's really cringey in a way.

oh yeah, and the whole thing in comics where one character in an expressly romantic couple has no thoughts of their own and just serves to "happily except" their partner's weird kink that would ordinarily place a huge burden on someone. like two people going steady and one comes out that they wanna fuck someone else, start going out with their ex again, etc. to which their partner replies with "OMG that's crazy i totally want you to do that too! what a coincidence!" or something. it's the porn equivalent of a character (usually female) getting fridged, except like, actually toxic and pretty pathetic lmao

mklxiv said:
All the "Master, master~" shit in Poképorn is really grating and boring.

Not all of them can be James Hetfield, unfortunately

wwwwwwwww said:
"OMG that's crazy i totally want you to do that too! what a coincidence!"

I think that's a sign the person drawing it doesn't really like the fetish at all, or didn't think through the characters involved.

Surely if you loved a fetish you'd want to explore scenarios where it happens and what it does to people. You'd want to explore contrasting attitudes. Some people like it, some people hate it. I'm too shy to show anyone my pornographic writing but that's what I did with my fetishes. Stuff where it happens to people who want it. Stuff where it happens to people who don't want it. Stuff where it fixes people. Stuff where it ruins people who deserve it. It'd be boring if everyone's attitude was just "We both like that, so let's do it immediately".

I think its just a matter of writing prowess. Just look at how many porn/romance stories just stop at "And then they fucked/now they're together, the end"; it's just easier to have there be no hesitation or resistance, just like it's easier to have the sole conflict in a romance story be the "will they/won't they" - shoutout to Tennis Ace for making me realize how deeply unsatisfying that is to me. It takes at least some skill & some awareness to go for anything with more depth, especially with the kink stuff. If you're into something, it's easy to write 2( or more) people who feel the same way; it's a lot harder to come up with good, realistic, & sympathetic reasons for someone to be hesitant if you don't feel that way yourself.

That's probably also why kink stories centering around dubcon so frequently do the whole "oh, they think they don't want it & say they don't want it, but they actual always do & are down for literally everything; they'll just complain about it before & after (but still not enough for what just happened to them)"; that and it'd take a lot of talent to make their interest in the other person relatable otherwise.

...btw, that's my answer. So many Anastasia Steele's everywhere who are unable to emulate a genuine response to actual abuse, & so many authors who either fall into "they're secretly ok with it, so it's fine" or "no, they're genuinely terrified, but they'll just forgive them for no apparent reason"... or both. Either stop doing this or treat it with some tact. Erotic thrillers can be good... but when they're bad, jeez.

aacafah said:
I think its just a matter of writing prowess. Just look at how many porn/romance stories just stop at "And then they fucked/now they're together, the end"; it's just easier to have there be no hesitation or resistance, just like it's easier to have the sole conflict in a romance story be the "will they/won't they" - shoutout to Tennis Ace for making me realize how deeply unsatisfying that is to me. It takes at least some skill & some awareness to go for anything with more depth, especially with the kink stuff. If you're into something, it's easy to write 2( or more) people who feel the same way; it's a lot harder to come up with good, realistic, & sympathetic reasons for someone to be hesitant if you don't feel that way yourself.

That's probably also why kink stories centering around dubcon so frequently do the whole "oh, they think they don't want it & say they don't want it, but they actual always do & are down for literally everything; they'll just complain about it before & after (but still not enough for what just happened to them)"; that and it'd take a lot of talent to make their interest in the other person relatable otherwise.

...btw, that's my answer. So many Anastasia Steele's everywhere who are unable to emulate a genuine response to actual abuse, & so many authors who either fall into "they're secretly ok with it, so it's fine" or "no, they're genuinely terrified, but they'll just forgive them for no apparent reason"... or both. Either stop doing this or treat it with some tact. Erotic thrillers can be good... but when they're bad, jeez.

You've read Fifty Shades of Grey?

I once saw a youtuber say a moment added in the movie where Anastasia tells her man no, he ignores that and keeps approaching, she says no louder, and he listens and stops, was an excellent scene that "Proved the writers of this film understood everything better than the book writer". And I thought... WTF? What kind of logic is that? To me Fifty Shades always felt like mediocre porn badly pretending to be more than that, to attract a crowd too ashamed of themselves to enjoy porn and too uninterested in depth to see depth in erotic stories that are more than just porn.

dba_afish said:
I think you're just describing the "Mary Sue" archetype.

Mary Sue isn't really an archetype. It's an accusation thrown when readers know something's off but blame surface-level traits like how rainbow-haired or powerful or obnoxiously special a character is instead of noticing deeper structural flaws.

The character's born perfect and has no room to grow, the author's blatant favouritism harms the world's verisimilitude, the character inherits so much canon-important items she has nothing of her own that makes her memorable, the author thought making a character memorable and interesting began and ended at giving a character memorable visual traits like heterochromia and hyper gigantic breasts and unusual hair and eye colours and artificial limbs and an eyepatch, the character dresses like a hooker in a military faction that would not tolerate such extreme uniform policy violations from someone of her station, the author's morality is backwards especially when it comes to their self-insertion character, the character's a vehicle for the author's personal power fantasies only the author could find interesting and entertaining, those are usually the flaws actually ruining these stories, not how far from what's commonly agreed upon to be reasonable and acceptable a character is.

redphoenix42 said:
You've read Fifty Shades of Grey?

I once saw a youtuber say a moment added in the movie where Anastasia tells her man no, he ignores that and keeps approaching, she says no louder, and he listens and stops, was an excellent scene that "Proved the writers of this film understood everything better than the book writer". And I thought... WTF? What kind of logic is that? To me Fifty Shades always felt like mediocre porn badly pretending to be more than that, to attract a crowd too ashamed of themselves to enjoy porn and too uninterested in depth to see depth in erotic stories that are more than just porn.

I haven't read it; I watched the Folding Ideas videos too (& the Jenny Nicholson ones for that matter). But I've read enough smut to know exactly what they're talking about; again, it's far from rare.

"Me have big dick. Me best at sex. These are my only defining character traits."

Always just comes off as compensating for something.

eclipse_lunablade said:
"Me have big dick. Me best at sex. These are my only defining character traits."

Always just comes off as compensating for something.

Oh my God, THIS!

It's so tediously boring! It reeks of insecurity. If your only fantasies are boring power fantasies where you're the bad guy in someone else's story, you're boring.

Society's most boring assholes fetishise sex as this performance act, this measure of worth, and it's idiotic. When you treat parenthood that way everyone can see how unhealthy it is. But for some reason people are expected to view sex that way. As if "His PP smol and he doesn't last hours in bed like his wife does" is just as severe an insult as "When we fuck all you care about is using me for your own pleasure and then going back to Minecraft leaving me alone in this bed".

It's so much more interesting when it's used to explore characters who use sex for more than "Time to stop thinking and feeling and just fuck! He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man, and I'm a beast in heat! The author sees characterisation and personality and backstory and everything else as filler wasting time between sex scenes and he's glad it's over for now!".

I also feel sick of characters whose whole deal is "I have sex to escape my bad feelings and memories and shit" because I've literally never seen that used for anything other than contrived melodrama where the author wants sex scenes now because the imaginary slobbering horny dogs in the audience will leave if they don't get it now, but the author wants to pretend it's a character trait and source of manufactured temporary conflict. He wants to pretend he's writing high art, a deep character study, something anyone would be interested in if the sex was removed.

Also I hate when "Smaller male with larger female" art/comics/stories take unannounced detours into age regression, forced feminization, ageplay, noncon, diaper shit, forced infantilization, the guy being an evil abusive rapist, small penis humiliation, small penis fetish, any of that stupid shit I didn't sign up for. I don't want to see "traced Nirvana Album Art". I just want to see a milf bone a man shorter than her, I never asked for any of this DeviantArt bullshit. Tag your weird shit properly! If he's an adult man, just an unusually small one because of his species, his dick should be reasonably sized for an adult man or disproportionately gigantic. I like when she's taller than him, I like when she's a milf or acts motherly or like a big sister, I like it when he gets to be small and cute and vulnerable without the universe punishing him for it, but I'm not weird and if the art is going to get weird there should be warning signs so I know to click on something else.

Kids don't belong in this genre because it's supposed to be about men having the permission to surrender to a larger stronger female presence that protects and loves and accepts them unconditionally. Him being small instead of a big man in his own right who's just less strong than her makes her look bigger and more loving in comparison. It's an unrealistic fantasy but it's a beautiful one. Giving him a tiny dick makes it feel like the man going "I swear I'm a grown man" is as hollow as the childish idiot anime girls saying "Officer I swear I'm actually 9000 years old". I hate seeing tiny dicks in general because they're unimpressive, but I really hate seeing them in this genre because it makes the whole thing feel gross and wrong and pedoish. This all feels like such a weird thing to say. Maybe I shouldn't say it. I'm not saying this stuff to shame people who like it. If you like it, good for you. No judgement here. I hate the waves of self-judgement I feel when I get ambushed by that shit. Maybe people are going to say "You're being a hypocritical wuss", but I don't want to insult the lolicons or boy lovers or whatever, I just don't want to see that stuff and it should always be tagged properly. Maybe there should be tags separating small men with tiny dicks from small men with big ones. I already have small penis blacklisted but sometimes it still slips through anyway.

Could you imagine if Vore fans didn't separate harmlessly swallowing someone and spitting them back out later, swallowing someone then digesting them slowly and painfully, violently biting into and devouring them, eating literal shit, and raping cubs but with your mouth, and raping cubs in the mouth, so you couldn't see the one and only "type of vore" you're into without the risk of seeing shit you don't want to see? That's how it feels to like milfs but hate how so much art of big milfs being motherly with smaller men is actually just disguised pedo stuff I don't want to see.

You know what's underrated?

Lovers with large, loving, healthy, supportive families. I wish more fantasies explored the idea of becoming a part of those families, instead of treating them as obstacles in the way of romance, or enemies to "win your girl from". Imagine being able to go to your in-laws for wise and reliable advice trusting them to want your relationship to succeed.

Sometimes it seems the only porn stories that portray families as a good thing are incest fantasies where big families are just idealised orgy clubs.

any artwork where its very obviously rape/questionable consent/just anything that could be viewed as traumatic (i dont even view these at all) but halfway through the victim then shifts gears from "oh my god please no" to "please breed me". tbh i dont know shit about writing but it just feels unrealistic, especially because a main thing about trauma is that its long lasting. lemme clarify i dont like this stuff at all but when this gearshift happens it just feels worse and it becomes clear as day that its being fetishized. thats why i sorta like the homeless dog comic by ponporio because it actually gets you feeling bad for the protagonist, with a big reason being that its a realistic scenario treated appropriately thats probably happening to someone.

thegoonguardian said:
any artwork where its very obviously rape/questionable consent/just anything that could be viewed as traumatic (i dont even view these at all) but halfway through the victim then shifts gears from "oh my god please no" to "please breed me". tbh i dont know shit about writing but it just feels unrealistic, especially because a main thing about trauma is that its long lasting. lemme clarify i dont like this stuff at all but when this gearshift happens it just feels worse and it becomes clear as day that its being fetishized. thats why i sorta like the homeless dog comic by ponporio because it actually gets you feeling bad for the protagonist, with a big reason being that its a realistic scenario treated appropriately thats probably happening to someone.

OMG THIS. I really liked Norasuko's minotaur elf comic until it became apparent her brains were about to turn to goo. Even posted saying I liked her personality beforehand and hoped it wouldnt go that way (it did).

Two different extremes for ferals: I hate, hate, hate when the feral is just a mindless fuck automaton. On the flip side I also dislike when you could swap a feral out for a human and change nothing. Anthropomorphization is great, but being able to talk and gesture doesn't mean everything has to be behaviorally human. You don't wanna explore the implications of sensory and hormonal and behavioral differences? Boring.

thegoonguardian said:
any artwork where its very obviously rape/questionable consent/just anything that could be viewed as traumatic (i dont even view these at all) but halfway through the victim then shifts gears from "oh my god please no" to "please breed me". tbh i dont know shit about writing but it just feels unrealistic, especially because a main thing about trauma is that its long lasting. lemme clarify i dont like this stuff at all but when this gearshift happens it just feels worse and it becomes clear as day that its being fetishized. thats why i sorta like the homeless dog comic by ponporio because it actually gets you feeling bad for the protagonist, with a big reason being that its a realistic scenario treated appropriately thats probably happening to someone.

It's weird that it's so rare to see the darker emotions in these "dark" story ideas explored. Normally everything dark is sanitized and idealized and sexualized. It makes me wonder if it's normal for people with fetishes for dark things to prefer the dark aspects and dark consequences glossed over or romanticized into a good thing, and why.

dolphinbar said:
OMG THIS. I really liked Norasuko's minotaur elf comic until it became apparent her brains were about to turn to goo. Even posted saying I liked her personality beforehand and hoped it wouldnt go that way (it did).

I understand the appeal of sexual desire quieting or even annihilating the mind for a while, but if the mind never comes back that's basically just lobotomy. The death of the mind, and all that makes the body a person. And if that's what you're into wouldn't making the sex addiction a slow corrupting process so we can see how those involved deal with it be more interesting? Someone might try to escape it, or accelerate it. Someone might choose it, trusting their partner to not take advantage of them. Someone might struggle with their urges knowing sex while in heat means the end of their personhood. If that is how sex works in this world, wouldn't the world be full of cum-addicted mindbroken idiots whose owners died? Pet shops but for the mindbroken to be sold as slaves... That's a dark thought. But many would get bored with these pets fast. I certainly find it boring when a character is just a limited instrument like that.

redphoenix42 said:
It's weird that it's so rare to see the darker emotions in these "dark" story ideas explored. Normally everything dark is sanitized and idealized and sexualized. It makes me wonder if it's normal for people with fetishes for dark things to prefer the dark aspects and dark consequences glossed over or romanticized into a good thing, and why.

Romanticized rape fantasies can be thought of similarly to bouncing off of enemies in a platformer: Realistically, a creature's body is being crushed, but the game focuses on the player gaining height and the enemy simply disappears or falls off screen.

While there are those who enjoy fantasizing about the darker side of rape, a good chunk of others just enjoy what would effectively be a pleasure dom fantasy if consent were provided.

Whether dominant or submissive, these fantasies can appeal to a desire to overcome sexual constraints, including one's own inhibitions, and succumb to primal urges for carnal pleasure, intimacy, and, sometimes, even procreation.

Rape also doesn't automatically lead to trauma or many other possible consequences, making it much easier to not think about those things.

Deep character development is not a necessary condition for good porn, but it does make the experience more memorable. However, crafting well-developed characters requires more effort and additional talent, which is why they are so rare.

hsauq said:
Romanticized rape fantasies can be thought of similarly to bouncing off of enemies in a platformer: Realistically, a creature's body is being crushed, but the game focuses on the player gaining height and the enemy simply disappears or falls off screen.

While there are those who enjoy fantasizing about the darker side of rape, a good chunk of others just enjoy what would effectively be a pleasure dom fantasy if consent were provided.

Whether dominant or submissive, these fantasies can appeal to a desire to overcome sexual constraints, including one's own inhibitions, and succumb to primal urges for carnal pleasure, intimacy, and, sometimes, even procreation.

Rape also doesn't automatically lead to trauma or many other possible consequences, making it much easier to not think about those things.

I get that, I just hate that it's so much more common than anything more interesting.

And it seems it's never leaned into intentionally. Imagine a society where femdom muscle mommies rape their men into submission. Then a man shows up and rapes them into submission. Imagine a society where predator/prey dynamics control sex and trying to force yourself upon someone is the norm, and predators who tire themselves out chasing prey get raped by prey for it. A fox might tire himself out chasing a rabbit until he collapses, and then she femdoms him so violently he craves more of it.

Imagine the shame and judgement and ridicule a predator-prey couple would struggle to overcome for embracing consensual love, or letting the prey top, as if society thinks that's kinkier than BDSM slave stuff. Societies and cultures and alien life forms that don't think of rape as something dark and tragic could be meaningfully explored. But no, the inferior kind of dark is more common, the safe-edgy kind where it pretends this is dark but refuses to go anywhere dark beyond surface-level aesthetic elements like tears and dark colours.

redphoenix42 said:
Excellent character work! I can't wait to see where these characters go from here!

Got another episode for ya, But heads up there's bathroom biz
in this episode. Nothing extreme but present so I understand
if you wanna skip, Dood!

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As for the current topic, My two cents would be they REALLY should
change the term "Rape Fantasy" to something else. Since those fantasies
have nothing to do with rape, but with sudden consensual sex. Like
"public use" but in a setting where that wouldn't be expected, Dood.
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That way peeps can have there fantasies of being dommed outta the
blue, without using a term for something horrific and traumatizing.
Like changing Murder Club to True Crime Club, Dood.
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I think a site once had a policy where noncon and forced noncon and rape are considered different things, I just don't recall what the distinctions are. I'd assume it's noncon if nonconsensual sex happens, forced noncon if the character tries and fails to escape, and rape if... I don't know. If it's rough enough to justify the severe term's use?

Maybe nominal noncon should be included? Nonconsensual in name only sex?

redphoenix42 said:
I think a site once had a policy where noncon and forced noncon and rape are considered different things, I just don't recall what the distinctions are. I'd assume it's noncon if nonconsensual sex happens, forced noncon if the character tries and fails to escape, and rape if... I don't know. If it's rough enough to justify the severe term's use?

Maybe nominal noncon should be included? Nonconsensual in name only sex?

there's already tags for stuff like rough_sex, I don't really like the idea of changing how we tag forced based on how "forceful" it is.

although, maybe we could have better/umbrella tags for forceful actions and the like,

dba_afish said:
there's already tags for stuff like rough_sex, I don't really like the idea of changing how we tag forced based on how "forceful" it is.

although, maybe we could have better/umbrella tags for forceful actions and the like,

I think forcing someone to engage in sex still justifies the forced tag, whether that's through physical force or threats or anything else. And a tag for Roleplayed_Rape probably exists.

Anyone here think it'd be worth it to make tags for whether the rapist uses threats of violence, blackmail, physical force, a rope trap, guilt-tripping, cult brainwashing, societal force (like in a society where it's illegal to say no when someone in a higher caste wants you), or other methods to rape?

redphoenix42 said:
I think forcing someone to engage in sex still justifies the forced tag, whether that's through physical force or threats or anything else. And a tag for Roleplayed_Rape probably exists.

forced is for someone being forced to do something they apparently don't want to. That is, something is happening to a character against their will, a non-consensual act (noncon, non-consensual, etc, are all aliased to forced). It may or may not involve violence or threats of violence, hypnotism or mind control, or something else. Any non-consensual activity is forced, and rape is just forced sex.

The forced tag is not related to physical force, like an enlarged knot being forcefully pushed into or out of someone's mouth, anus, or other orifice. That's what I think dba afish was getting at, that they don't like the idea of changing forced based on how "forceful" some act is.

mklxiv said:
All the "Master, master~" shit in Poképorn is really grating and boring.

Yeah, no, I agree. Like, if my dumbass dog could talk, he would be calling me by my name or just a bunch of swears. If animals can learn their owners' name (as in recognize the sound of your name and associate it with you), Pokémon can and should be able to do the exact same thing due to just about all of them having a higher amount of intelligence than your average house pet.

I don't like faceless anon characters in porn. It feels like character exists simply to do a function - sex, and not exist as a person.

Also, i don't like when something starts as femdom sex ends up being a generic "domination loss" scenario and guy is the one who dominates. It's like artist was afraid to commit and do something interesting and original.

onecon said:
I don't like faceless anon characters in porn.

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braixenarchivist said:
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Yep, pretty much. John Cock is probably also bald.

And doesn't have any eyes or nose...