Topic: [REJECTED] Old / Elderly BUR

The bulk update request #7835 has been rejected.

create implication elderly_feral (159) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_anthro (1990) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_humanoid (47) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_human (167) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_taur (6) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_female (4218) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_male (1859) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_intersex (243) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_gynomorph (199) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_andromorph (1) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_herm (1) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_maleherm (1) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_ambiguous (6) -> old (0)

Reason: Each tag can't be as they are if they don't possess properties of the associated tags. (ex; elderly_anthro is both old and anthro. Deviating from this would make it no longer elderly_anthro)

EDIT: The bulk update request #7835 (forum #402845) has been rejected by @dupestein.

The bulk update request #7836 is pending approval.

create implication elderly_feral (159) -> feral (733884)
create implication elderly_anthro (1990) -> anthro (4152443)
create implication elderly_humanoid (47) -> humanoid (543489)
create implication elderly_human (167) -> human (455459)
create implication elderly_taur (6) -> taur (22919)
create implication elderly_female (4218) -> female (3087240)
create implication elderly_male (1859) -> male (3090863)
create implication elderly_intersex (243) -> intersex (307564)
create implication elderly_gynomorph (199) -> gynomorph (240993)
create implication elderly_andromorph (1) -> andromorph (30948)
create implication elderly_herm (1) -> herm (31155)
create implication elderly_maleherm (1) -> maleherm (7688)
create implication elderly_ambiguous (6) -> ambiguous_gender (394473)

Reason: Continuation of topic #44014

The bulk update request #7837 is pending approval.

create alias old_feral (0) -> elderly_feral (159)
create alias old_anthro (2) -> elderly_anthro (1990)
create alias old_humanoid (0) -> elderly_humanoid (47)
create alias old_human (0) -> elderly_human (167)
create alias old_taur (0) -> elderly_taur (6)
create alias old_female (0) -> elderly_female (4218)
create alias old_male (0) -> elderly_male (1859)
create alias old_intersex (0) -> elderly_intersex (243)
create alias old_gynomorph (0) -> elderly_gynomorph (199)
create alias old_andromorph (0) -> elderly_andromorph (1)
create alias old_herm (0) -> elderly_herm (1)
create alias old_maleherm (0) -> elderly_maleherm (1)
create alias old_ambiguous (0) -> elderly_ambiguous (6)

Reason: The elderly_* tags are more widely used compared to the old_* tags.

I agree elderly_* sounds better than old_* - perhaps we should rename the base old tag to elderly, even? For consistency

wandering_spaniel said:
I agree elderly_* sounds better than old_* - perhaps we should rename the base old tag to elderly, even? For consistency

Sure, why not. Everything other than the tag name itself uses elderly

The bulk update request #7838 has been rejected.

remove alias elderly (7443) -> old (0)

Reason: Given above
Followup:
alias old -> elderly

EDIT: The bulk update request #7838 (forum #402854) has been rejected by @SNPtheCat.

It seems odd to me that we let elderly/old stand as their own tags, but we alias mature to mature_(disambiguation). Unless there's a finer point behind mature alias that I'm unaware of, I think we should either alias elderly and old to a disambiguation tag, or (less likely) we should re-implement mature as its own tag and implicate all other mature_* tags to it.

It's also worth noting that a lot of characters that should probably be tagged as elderly/old get tagged as mature_* instead, since all of the wiki articles for the mature_* tags define them as referring to middle-aged characters. I might try working on fixing that.

old could also refer to old art (something from an artist's prior years, or ancient_art). Or an old time period, like the wild west or feudal japan or something.

watsit said:
old could also refer to old art (something from an artist's prior years, or ancient_art). Or an old time period, like the wild west or feudal japan or something.

I'd say in that case, it might be best aliased to a disambiguation tag.

taggin-dragon said:
It seems odd to me that we let elderly/old stand as their own tags, but we alias mature to mature_(disambiguation). Unless there's a finer point behind mature alias that I'm unaware of, I think we should either alias elderly and old to a disambiguation tag, or (less likely) we should re-implement mature as its own tag and implicate all other mature_* tags to it.

It's also worth noting that a lot of characters that should probably be tagged as elderly/old get tagged as mature_* instead, since all of the wiki articles for the mature_* tags define them as referring to middle-aged characters. I might try working on fixing that.

I don't know if this was the case here, but how I've seen "mature" used had so much variation it was basically useless. You have people who define it anywhere from "any woman past 20" to "gilf" and everything in between. At best it could be aliased to 'adult' to serve as an umbrella category for adult age groups to compliment the young group.

The bulk update request #7838 (forum #402854) has been rejected by @SNPtheCat.

dupestein said:
The bulk update request #7835 has been rejected.

create implication elderly_feral (159) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_anthro (1990) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_humanoid (47) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_human (167) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_taur (6) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_female (4218) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_male (1859) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_intersex (243) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_gynomorph (199) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_andromorph (1) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_herm (1) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_maleherm (1) -> old (0)
create implication elderly_ambiguous (6) -> old (0)

Reason: Each tag can't be as they are if they don't possess properties of the associated tags. (ex; elderly_anthro is both old and anthro. Deviating from this would make it no longer elderly_anthro)

old has now been aliased

Sorry, didn't know this bur existed :v did it manually

regsmutt said:
I don't know if this was the case here, but how I've seen "mature" used had so much variation it was basically useless. You have people who define it anywhere from "any woman past 20" to "gilf" and everything in between. At best it could be aliased to 'adult' to serve as an umbrella category for adult age groups to compliment the young group.

could use middle_aged

The bulk update request #7835 (forum #402845) has been rejected by @dupestein.

The bulk update request #9408 is pending approval.

create implication elderly_feral (159) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_anthro (1990) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_humanoid (47) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_human (167) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_taur (6) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_female (4218) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_male (1859) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_ambiguous (6) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_intersex (243) -> elderly (7443)
create implication elderly_gynomorph (199) -> elderly_intersex (243)
create implication elderly_andromorph (1) -> elderly_intersex (243)
create implication elderly_herm (1) -> elderly_intersex (243)
create implication elderly_maleherm (1) -> elderly_intersex (243)

Reason: All of these tags imply that they are some form of elderly.

Is this thread still active? I thought we would’ve come to a consensus already.

Both of the pending BURs here are missing the gyno/andro/herm/mherm to intersex implications, they should imply elderly_intersex which then implies elderly, they should not imply elderly themselves

donovan_dmc said:
Both of the pending BURs here are missing the gyno/andro/herm/mherm to intersex implications, they should imply elderly_intersex which then implies elderly, they should not imply elderly themselves

I did that with my BUR, but I was directed here.

donovan_dmc said:
Both of the pending BURs here are missing the gyno/andro/herm/mherm to intersex implications, they should imply elderly_intersex which then implies elderly, they should not imply elderly themselves

Fixed.