Topic: Artist keeps Deleting their Works

I hate the fact that, many artist i like wants to move on, by DELETING their own Artworks.

Example, VoskhodArt. I never realised that they deleted their work, until now. I don't think this is something that artist should do. It is selfish that they deleted their work.

Another one, Zer0Rebel4. I know a lot about this but, i just really want to see their works

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The real question i made is, is it POSSIBLE to download the Takedown Content, even the status saying status:Deleted?

No, im not going to reupload their work, this is very personal because i knew they need some Privacy and i respect that.

and for those who saying "just use Gallery-DL if you dont want to missed", i know. i tried to learn it, but im also don't have enough time because of this stupid College homework so i need more time.

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Yes, i am the same guy who made the topic about Why Rule34 and E621 so important, because i view art as a Artifact, same goes with Video Games and thanks to StopKillingGames, it motivates me to archive as many as possible i can.

Recently, I looked at my liked list and prepared for the worst by searching for status:deleted. This is when I found out that Zer0Rebel4 disappeared. I hope they're well, but goddamn do I want to see Jackson and Rita again.

Also, back in 2021, Luraiokun set up an art archive for people to download before everything was deleted. But they're back now, so that's cool.

trepan0603 said:
I hate the fact that, many artist i like wants to move on, by DELETING their own Artworks.

Example, VoskhodArt. I never realised that they deleted their work, until now. I don't think this is something that artist should do. It is selfish that they deleted their work.

Another one, Zer0Rebel4. I know a lot about this but, i just really want to see their works

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The real question i made is, is it POSSIBLE to download the Takedown Content, even the status saying status:Deleted?

No, im not going to reupload their work, this is very personal because i knew they need some Privacy and i respect that.

and for those who saying "just use Gallery-DL if you dont want to missed", i know. i tried to learn it, but im also don't have enough time because of this stupid College homework so i need more time.

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Yes, i am the same guy who made the topic about Why Rule34 and E621 so important, because i view art as a Artifact, same goes with Video Games and thanks to StopKillingGames, it motivates me to archive as many as possible i can.

Honestly, and meaning no offense, I think it's more selfish to think you should be able to keep an artist's work when they want to remove it.
They made it and it's their property. They are kind enough to share it with the furry community, but that also means they have a right to say 'I don't want my art shared anymore'.

If people could download deleted content that artists wanted removed:
1. It would pretty much negate the purpose of a takedown request. Why take it down if people can still download it?
2. It would be telling the artist 'I don't care what you, the person who put hours into making the art I consume for free, wish.'

I'm NOT saying that is your mindset. But that is pretty much the message the artist would hear.
In short: Artists put their hard work on here for free. And that means they can ask to have it taken down and expect it to be removed. Not removed, except for an ability for anyone to download it.

To add: If anyone developed a browser add-on or program that let users download status:deleted art; I'd 100% support e6 developing a way to block it.
Artists should have a reasonable expectation that their wishes be honored when they upload their art here. To do otherwise would be unconscionable.

dzeergy said:
Recently, I looked at my liked list and prepared for the worst by searching for status:deleted. This is when I found out that Zer0Rebel4 disappeared. I hope they're well, but goddamn do I want to see Jackson and Rita again.

Also, back in 2021, Luraiokun set up an art archive for people to download before everything was deleted. But they're back now, so that's cool.

That's sounds a good news, but it is still remains problem. Games like Destiny 2, where Bungie did a Content Vaulting that cause the Red War campaign and other gone but not gone.

It is the artist who gave birth to the picture, and it is that artist who can put it out of its misery.

And no, I don't think there's way to get takedown content as a regular user other than asking other archivists who are downloading galleries to their private archive.

fuzzy_kobold said:
Honestly, and meaning no offense, I think it's more selfish to think you should be able to keep an artist's work when they want to remove it.
They made it and it's their property. They are kind enough to share it with the furry community, but that also means they have a right to say 'I don't want my art shared anymore'.

You clearly don't understand what i meant, like think about 10 years or 50 years later, what happened to our Artifact. it is the same problem with the silent movie where, almost hundred if not thousands of silent film unfortunately being lost by time.

absolutebanger said:
And no, I don't think there's way to get takedown content as a regular user other than asking other archivists who are downloading galleries to their private archive.

oh, now we were talking. You made a good point of that.

Yeah it can be frustrating or sad but like. If you want something forever, save it. You never know who's going to quit art, or get hired by disney, or what websites are going to suddenly ban porn or shut down.

regsmutt said:
Yeah it can be frustrating or sad but like. If you want something forever, save it. You never know who's going to quit art, or get hired by disney, or what websites are going to suddenly ban porn or shut down.

yeah, like i mentioned earlier, because of this stupid College homework, i need more time.

trepan0603 said:
yeah, like i mentioned earlier, because of this stupid College homework, i need more time.

There would be way too many downsides to not being able to delete posts here, as per Fuzzy Kobold's comment. Your only choice here is to download them prior to being deleted. Sorry there's not a better solution.

You can thank weirdo harassers for the Zer0Rebel4 nuke and a few others. Sticking around becomes a little more difficult when you got neo-nazis contacting your family and work over drawings on the internet.

easytogooglename said:
You can thank weirdo harassers for the Zer0Rebel4 nuke and a few others. Sticking around becomes a little more difficult when you got neo-nazis contacting your family and work over drawings on the internet.

Well, i got feelings where when the time is conducive, they're will bring back that deleted content when it safe to exist.

again tho, this is a big issues when the very existing content is on the endangered position, it is still an issues like what i mentioned Destiny 2 game.

trepan0603 said:
You clearly don't understand what i meant, like think about 10 years or 50 years later, what happened to our Artifact. it is the same problem with the silent movie where, almost hundred if not thousands of silent film unfortunately being lost by time.

I get the value of preserving art, especially queer and furry art during a time when censorship against us is rising quickly. It's a part of our culture, it connects us with others like ourselves across the world, and losing allows bad actors to rewrite history and pretend we never existed. There is a reason fascists burn books, and a reason most of them started with queer ones. I have archived the galleries of many artists whose work is important to me, and i'll always encourage people to do the same.

But at the same time: If an artist is so afraid of being seen as a furry or as gay or whatever else that they'd nuke years of their own work to avoid that, then we are better off without their art as part of our culture anyway. I've only gotten less sympathetic to it over time. If they care so little about their own work, why should we care to host and archive it for them?

It is harsh, but a critical part of archiving is curation. It's why this site has a set of standards for submissions. Preserving literally every single thing ever made simply means the flaws and insecurity of the past generations will weigh on the neck of the future. Sometimes it's best to let the trash take itself out. If our community truly was damaged by an artist self-immolating, then other creators will eventually take up a pen and fill the hole they left behind.

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listlesssky said:
I get the value of preserving art, especially queer and furry art during a time when censorship against us is rising quickly. It's a part of our culture, it connects us with others like ourselves across the world, and losing allows bad actors to rewrite history and pretend we never existed. There is a reason fascists burn books, and a reason most of them started with queer ones. I have archived the galleries of many artists whose work is important to me, and i'll always encourage people to do the same.

i get that what you mean, and i know the world is now choosing darkness (fascist) over the enlightenment (peace and love), because the one being is afraid of losing their grip over the progressive that is grown bigger and bigger over the time. Yeah fascist suck ass, but don't give up to achieve Renaissance for better world. This is almost similar to how people in The Dark Age have found The Enlightenment that cause The Renaissance Age happened, i guess the history repeated itself.

listlesssky said:
But at the same time: If an artist is so afraid of being seen as a furry or as gay or whatever else that they'd nuke years of their own work to avoid that, then we are better off without their art as part of our culture anyway. I've only gotten less sympathetic to it over time. If they care so little about their own work, why should we care to host and archive it for them?

It is harsh, but a critical part of archiving is curation. It's why this site has a set of standards for submissions. Preserving literally every single thing ever made simply means the flaws and insecurity of the past generations will weigh on the neck of the future. Sometimes it's best to let the trash take itself out. If our community truly was damaged by an artist self-immolating, then other creators will eventually take up a pen and fill the hole they left behind.

Well, that sucks ass but make sense that we as a human/furry, cannot carry heavy burden because of our own limitation but still, others will archived it and maybe other day, they will released it to the surface so people future generation will see it and understand it. That's the main point of preservation. But when the artist is no longer with us (or sorry to say, Deceased), it is better to preserve and keep it forever, Like for example Powfooo, their work was so cute that so many people asking for more but all of sudden, they no longer active. People questioning "where's Powfooo?", and that work are still remain exist, because we archived it so people will see their works.

I have seen so many people become fascist because of their own selfishness, insecurities, and unneccesary resentment, due to lack of transparancies of their own government and rejection/denial of change or Enlightenment. if you have been faced by the Far Right, i think you're right to keep our works hidden by the fascist, the same thing happened to the people hiding their books in order to avoid the nazi german burns all books.

I know it's sucks that we living in Far Right era and US/Israel-Iran War World War 3, but again it's is important to fight for our rights to exist. i even sympathize with trans people because of how beautiful they are. My point is do not let ourselves being drown by The Darkness (Fascist) so we can open our voice to exist.

Don't be pessimistic, because pessimistic and nihilism is a perfect weapon for The Darkness (Fascist) to win, because when we underestimates ourselves, we forgot that we created a "militia" that cause The Enlightenment happened. It is always a Backfires for The Darkness (Fascist) that they ended up call for mercy (don't show mercy to The Fascist).

There's a one video that truly depicted how the fascist was born.
This is a Antiwar Animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZUaYdxTwhc

trepan0603 said:
<rant about fascism>

Absolutely wild tangent to go into when you can't download the things you want.
That being said, you should probably not bring those kind of topics up since they are completely irrelevant to the discussion.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Absolutely wild tangent to go into when you can't download the things you want.
That being said, you should probably not bring those kind of topics up since they are completely irrelevant to the discussion.

oh my bad, now i getting of topic now, thanks for your correctness.

Now, if the artist comeback and bring back that content, what you gonna do?

Also, what kind of tools that allows people to preserve it?

Give me answer.

i feel lost.

trepan0603 said:
Now, if the artist comeback and bring back that content, what you gonna do?

If the artist comes back and asks for their older art to be restored, then we'll restore it. At that time, I imagine you'd look to save it so you won't risk losing it again, but that's up to you.

clawstripe said:
If the artist comes back and asks for their older art to be restored, then we'll restore it. At that time, I imagine you'd look to save it so you won't risk losing it again, but that's up to you.

and what kind of tool allowed to restored it?

trepan0603 said:
Also, what kind of tools that allows people to preserve it?

Right click, Save Image As

regsmutt said:
Right click, Save Image As

Yeah, i get the joke. But im talking about the majority of content.

trepan0603 said:
and for those who saying "just use Gallery-DL if you dont want to missed", i know. i tried to learn it, but im also don't have enough time because of this stupid College homework so i need more time.

Do you already have it installed? If so, just run this:

gallery-dl -D <path_to_folder> -f /O "<e621_url>"

Example:

gallery-dl -D lonbluewolf -f /O "https://e621.net/posts?tags=lonbluewolf"

If "-D <path_to_folder>" isn't used, the media gets downloaded to the folder you're currently in. "-f /O" isn't needed either, but it makes gallery-dl save using the original filename, which is <md5_hash>.<ext> in e621's case.

If you're interested in saving Pixiv ugoiras and have ffmpeg installed, you can use "--ugoira <format>" before the url to download it as: webm, mp4, gif, vp8, vp9, vp9-lossless, copy, and zip.

gallery-dl -D <path_to_folder> -f /O --ugoira <format> "<pixiv_url>"

Example:

gallery-dl -D C:\Users\myuser\blopkid -f /O --ugoira webm "https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/127461262"

I don't use Windows, but I'm assuming you are and that it works the same there. If I've made a mistake, someone please feel free to correct me.

gallery-dl also works with rule34.xxx, which I'm only bringing up because they haven't taken their art down from there yet.

Edit: Just realized rule34.xxx requires the use of an API key. If you intend to use gallery-dl to get their posts after reading this, I can tell you how.

Also just removed the link since I realized I might not be allowed to link to a a booru containing art taken down from e621, though pointing you there might also not be allowed.

Oh, and depending on the website, you may want to use "--sleep <seconds>" to wait a certain number of seconds between each download. "<seconds>" can use numbers with decimal points. Too many downloads in a short amount of time may get you rate limited or even blocked.

trepan0603 said:
and what kind of tool allowed to restored it?

I mean that e621 will make the posts visible again. Although we say we're deleting them, in reality, we're just hiding them from everyone's view (except for staff as we have to be able to see when someone tries to reupload previously deleted posts). When an artist decides they want to reverse a Takedown they made, we can just unhide them so everyone can view them again.

Posts that actually are deleted, in other words, fully destroyed and thus unrestorable, are very rare. We don't like destroying posts as that could cause potential issues with the server as there's basically now holes in the site's data. So, we reserve destruction only for illegal or truly problematic posts.

hsauq said:
Do you already have it installed? If so, just run this:

I don't use Windows, but I'm assuming you are and that it works the same there. If I've made a mistake, someone please feel free to correct me.

Im unfortunately uses Windows 11 (which is the worst windows ever made by Microslop).

clawstripe said:
I mean that e621 will make the posts visible again. Although we say we're deleting them, in reality, we're just hiding them from everyone's view (except for staff as we have to be able to see when someone tries to reupload previously deleted posts). When an artist decides they want to reverse a Takedown they made, we can just unhide them so everyone can view them again.

Posts that actually are deleted, in other words, fully destroyed and thus unrestorable, are very rare. We don't like destroying posts as that could cause potential issues with the server as there's basically now holes in the site's data. So, we reserve destruction only for illegal or truly problematic posts.

Oh thank god, this is why i love this site. You gave me a enlightenment for this kind of preservation issues. So, what's the illegal post is about?

And also, is Rule34 also did same thing to E621?

trepan0603 said:
Oh thank god, this is why i love this site. You gave me a enlightenment for this kind of preservation issues. So, what's the illegal post is about?

Typically, posts that are destroyed include pictures with real life genitalia, both human and animal (typically as real life pornography) and pictures of real life gore. Basically, really disagreeable and contentious stuff. Perhaps not necessary always illegal, who wants to see that sort of stuff?

And also, is Rule34 also did same thing to E621?

Beats me. The only association they have with us is that they frequently scrape e621, which we can't exactly block without wrecking legitimate Users' ability to use it.

clawstripe said:
Typically, posts that are destroyed include pictures with real life genitalia, both human and animal (typically as real life pornography) and pictures of real life gore. Basically, really disagreeable and contentious stuff. Perhaps not necessary always illegal, who wants to see that sort of stuff?

I don't know, maybe for deranged and unhinged person who has lost their humanity.

clawstripe said:
Beats me. The only association they have with us is that they frequently scrape e621, which we can't exactly block without wrecking legitimate Users' ability to use it.

yeah, but they are a Human/Furry version of E621 but more focus on Porn and more disorganized than E621, which i focused on SFW and NSFW.

trepan0603 said:
I don't know, maybe for deranged and unhinged person who has lost their humanity.

Obviously, but we don't need them on the site anyway.

yeah, but they are a Human/Furry version of E621 but more focus on Porn and more disorganized than E621, which i focused on SFW and NSFW.

True, but they have different owners, different staff, different policies, and different goals. Unlike e621, they have less interest in respecting artists' wishes. Basically a different site entirely. We have no more idea of what's going on behind the scenes there than they do on what's going on behind ours, nor do we really care to know.

clawstripe said:
True, but they have different owners, different staff, different policies, and different goals. Unlike e621, they have less interest in respecting artists' wishes. Basically a different site entirely. We have no more idea of what's going on behind the scenes there than they do on what's going on behind ours, nor do we really care to know.

Yeah, no wonder why it is disorganized and more focus on just display the art. Overall, aside from different owners, it is still a good library despite of it's flaws.

clawstripe said:
The only association they have with us is that they frequently scrape e621, which we can't exactly block without wrecking legitimate Users' ability to use it.

I agree with that. I've seen my uploads appearing on Rule 34 not by me. Always saying "uploaded by: Bot"

Preservation is always important. Not just artwork, videos, or video games, but also mods for games and 3D models for SFM, GMod, and Blender too.

snipertf2fan said:
Preservation is always important. Not just artwork, videos, or video games, but also mods for games and 3D models for SFM, GMod, and Blender too.

i agree with that, i even downloaded almost all the mods, 3d models i desired for.

A lot of people focus on the fact that it's their work and not how good or bad their reasons for deleting it are. Art is culture. Culture should be preserved.

Many artists end up deleting their work because either:

1. They're being harassed or otherwise attacked over their work,
2. They feel shame for what they created, or
3. They're "going pro" and a potential employer wants the porn gone.

I believe all of these reasons are exceptionally bad, not necessarily because of how the artists end up handling them, but because artists shouldn't have to be subjected to shame or attacks over their work, nor should they have to suppress themselves for others' perceived (usually nonexistent) benefit. Many artists who gallery nuke wouldn't have ever deleted their work without external pressure. And while I understand that many artists may not have the resources to fight back, it's not OK for us to just stand back and accept it as a common part of being a NSFW artist. It sends harassers and other prudes that target artists positive reinforcement that their antics work and that they'll keep getting away with it, and stuck-up professional studios that mandate they delete NSFW art the message that they get to bully artists for what they do in their personal time (which isn't OK either). By pushing back against it and giving those assholes consequences, less artists are likely to gallery nuke as they wouldn't have felt the need to.

mklxiv said:
Many artists end up deleting their work because either:

1. They're being harassed or otherwise attacked over their work,
2. They feel shame for what they created, or
3. They're "going pro" and a potential employer wants the porn gone.

I believe all of these reasons are exceptionally bad, not necessarily because of how the artists end up handling them, but because artists shouldn't have to be subjected to shame or attacks over their work, nor should they have to suppress themselves for others' perceived (usually nonexistent) benefit. Many artists who gallery nuke wouldn't have ever deleted their work without external pressure. And while I understand that many artists may not have the resources to fight back, it's not OK for us to just stand back and accept it as a common part of being a NSFW artist. It sends harassers and other prudes that target artists positive reinforcement that their antics work and that they'll keep getting away with it, and stuck-up professional studios that mandate they delete NSFW art the message that they get to bully artists for what they do in their personal time (which isn't OK either). By pushing back against it and giving those assholes consequences, less artists are likely to gallery nuke as they wouldn't have felt the need to.

You're right, you made a point about the problem of being artist who wants to make something what they desired for, and i get this point.

You mentioned something relevance about the artist that i loved.
For example...

Zer0Rebel4 > They're being harassed or otherwise attacked over their work,
VoskhodArt > They're "going pro" and a potential employer wants the porn gone.
itsymitsy > They're being harassed or otherwise attacked over their work, (maybe)

It's sucks really, but im still hope that in the next years (maybe 2030...), they will bring back their content if the time is conducive.