rayman225 said:
Clearly has breasts
Clearly breaking the law

"Omg why is this cop harassing me!?"

Tbh I think it’s legally ambiguous at best whether or not nonbinary people on estrogen are allowed to go topless in public.

This is probably the least illegal public nudity-related stunt Kello’s ever pulled XD

rayman225 said:
Clearly has breasts
Clearly breaking the law

"Omg why is this cop harassing me!?"

Boobs out is legal in a lot of countries.

lister said:
Being on hormone therapy or being trans doesn't automatically turn breasts into non-breasts. The line is ambiguous, sure, but having a chest that is very clearly presented as 'female' breasts in a non-topless area is just asking for trouble.

Should the law change? Should we change? I think so. I would love it if American culture were more accepting of natural bodies, but this is unfortunately the state of reality.

Dawg you did not just "she was asking for it" Kello, like, c'mon now. :x

lister said:
You know full well "asking for trouble" is a figure of speech, don't even start. Like interpret it how you want on your own time but don't twist my words.

I know you don't like the law the way it is and I'd love for it to change, for being topless to be not only legal but acceptable, but saying "I identify as a boy, therefore these don't count as breasts so I'm not breaking the law" is very flawed.

EDIT: I'm sorry if it seemed like I meant it as "she was asking for it." That's not how I meant it.

Not trying to be a dick about it but, my characters, my universe, my rules.

It’s legal for boys to be topless in the Kello universe, breasts or not, and this cop is harassing them.

By your logic, pre-op trans men shouldn’t be allowed to go topless in public either. This whole argument feels super problematic, and I’m not sure why you’re so being so insistent.

Also, like… from one American to another, you’re doing the thing where you’re implying America is the only country in the world. My comics don’t take place in America, or the real world at all. I’m not sure why you assumed they do.

rayman225 said:
Clearly has breasts
Clearly breaking the law

"Omg why is this cop harassing me!?"

backing the blue in furry porn while not understanding laws and ordnances an abysmal look my dude

i think that their boobs are cool, and their penis.
fuck 12, acab

lewdles said:
By your logic, pre-op trans men shouldn’t be allowed to go topless in public either. This whole argument feels super problematic, and I’m not sure why you’re so being so insistent.

Also, like… from one American to another, you’re doing the thing where you’re implying America is the only country in the world. My comics don’t take place in America, or the real world at all. I’m not sure why you assumed they do.

they're not saying "should".

the default assumption for all fiction is "like the reality i live in unless otherwise noted". you'll notice that MOST people tend to assume fiction they consume works like their own home country does unless it's obviously not the case.

in reality, a pre-mastectomy trans man WOULDN'T be allowed to go topless in public in any given area that a woman wasn't allowed to do so (though they might be able to get away with it if they were naturally flat).

it's like how e621 here has content tags and lore tags and a tag-what-you-see rule. obscenity laws IRL care about content tags way more than lore tags in every country that has them.

that's all they were saying.

goddamn, people.

e_pluribus_eunuch said:
they're not saying "should".

the default assumption for all fiction is "like the reality i live in unless otherwise noted". you'll notice that MOST people tend to assume fiction they consume works like their own home country does unless it's obviously not the case.

in reality, a pre-mastectomy trans man WOULDN'T be allowed to go topless in public in any given area that a woman wasn't allowed to do so (though they might be able to get away with it if they were naturally flat).

it's like how e621 here has content tags and lore tags and a tag-what-you-see rule. obscenity laws IRL care about content tags way more than lore tags in every country that has them.

that's all they were saying.

goddamn, people.

what are you on about dawg? it's a silly comic about boobs and penis and cops being suck. i think we all agree that cops suck. why are you getting so mad? lol chill.

e_pluribus_eunuch said:
they're not saying "should".

the default assumption for all fiction is "like the reality i live in unless otherwise noted". you'll notice that MOST people tend to assume fiction they consume works like their own home country does unless it's obviously not the case.

in reality, a pre-mastectomy trans man WOULDN'T be allowed to go topless in public in any given area that a woman wasn't allowed to do so (though they might be able to get away with it if they were naturally flat).

it's like how e621 here has content tags and lore tags and a tag-what-you-see rule. obscenity laws IRL care about content tags way more than lore tags in every country that has them.

that's all they were saying.

goddamn, people.

you're right and people need to stop assuming everyone who disagrees with them is a nazi

Anti-Topless laws are just silly and should be discarded.